tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post8439741728474929369..comments2023-08-11T08:21:09.562-06:00Comments on A Very Remote Period Indeed: Neanderthals and ornaments, birds of a feather?Julien Riel-Salvatorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05344338385695383003noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-76412243547506251092011-03-03T19:52:42.645-07:002011-03-03T19:52:42.645-07:00"I would not grab a raptor by the legs myself..."I would not grab a raptor by the legs myself preferably". <br /><br />You probably would if it was a required part of the ritual for obtaining the feathers.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-52927061858187617362011-03-01T00:03:19.026-07:002011-03-01T00:03:19.026-07:00Honestly, I think that nets are a zillion times mo...Honestly, I think that nets are a zillion times more effective with birds - alternatively lasso-traps and jail-traps. I would not grab a raptor by the legs myself preferably. <br /><br />What about stone-throwing with a sling anyhow? Though that I guess would leave a hurling mark on Neanderthal shoulders, what is not documented, I believe.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-51528476878161972642011-02-28T20:44:10.253-07:002011-02-28T20:44:10.253-07:00I remember reading, when I was young, a story abou...I remember reading, when I was young, a story about Native Americans hiding in a hole covered with sticks. They placed a dead animal on top of the sticks and when a raptor alighted they ngrabbed it by the legs and knocked it on the head. Perhaps unbelievable but I know a woman who got so angry with a harrier hawk killing her little ducks that she did much the same thing. The hawk didn't terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-59111773793159599162011-02-25T13:42:19.292-07:002011-02-25T13:42:19.292-07:00Andrew - thanks for your comment, you make an inte...Andrew - thanks for your comment, you make an interesting point about falcons. Neanderthals were no doubt highly aware of the behaviors of the animals in their environment, so it's certainly a possibility. Don't know about the wood pigeons, though. Problem is, this wouldn't really leave any traces for us to identify archaeologically today. Maybe a demographic profile of the populationJulien Riel-Salvatorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05344338385695383003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-71212469713464635662011-02-25T13:36:23.223-07:002011-02-25T13:36:23.223-07:00Maju -
my pleasure. And yes, you're absolutely...Maju -<br />my pleasure. And yes, you're absolutely right, Fumane is a key site to our understanding not only of the M/UP transition, but also of internal dynamics and human behavior during both the Middle and early Upper Paleolithic.Julien Riel-Salvatorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05344338385695383003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-55441525648471835242011-02-24T10:40:05.844-07:002011-02-24T10:40:05.844-07:00Falcons are fairly trainable with food. Perhaps t...Falcons are fairly trainable with food. Perhaps they were lured with food from big kills and then killed at that point. Wood pidgeons also seem like likely candidates for easy to kill birds.Andrew Oh-Willekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-73830066731551678062011-02-24T10:25:42.704-07:002011-02-24T10:25:42.704-07:00Thanks for the entry. As I said in the other post ...Thanks for the entry. As I said in the other post I was intrigued about the exact stratigraphic/chronological frame/context of the finding because the news articles I could read were quite confusing. You already clarified that in the other conversation. <br /><br />In any case it seems like this Fumane Cave would be a key site to understand the so-called MP-UP transition in Europe: it has Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.com