tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post8088024150353923272..comments2023-08-11T08:21:09.562-06:00Comments on A Very Remote Period Indeed: The Combe Capelle burial is Holocene in ageJulien Riel-Salvatorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05344338385695383003noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-65349271632608816542011-04-02T05:03:20.823-06:002011-04-02T05:03:20.823-06:00Just to say that when there are no remains, there ...Just to say that when there are no remains, there are still industries. We may not know who made them for sure but for sure also that somebody made them. We may therefore lack of any direct evidence on Aurignacian, Bohunician or proto-Aurignacian authorship but they were made by either species (or, less likely, both) in any case. <br /><br />So rather than looking at the too scarce skeletal Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-18634615149163159482011-04-01T14:31:21.988-06:002011-04-01T14:31:21.988-06:00@ Maju
Thanks. So, there are only four pre-Grave...@ Maju<br /><br />Thanks. So, there are only four pre-Gravettian AMH examples in Europe, three in the far SE corner of Europe, and the only one outside that area of questionable dating itself. This is younger than I had realized by 10,000 to 15,000 years.<br /><br />I hadn't realized how short the period from arrival in AMHs in the bulk of Europe and LGM were. It looks like this is only Andrew Oh-Willekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-38732067708045241592011-03-29T13:35:50.458-06:002011-03-29T13:35:50.458-06:00@Andrew:
Pestera cu Oase (West Romania) is (and ...@Andrew: <br /><br />Pestera cu Oase (West Romania) is (and was) the oldest AMH known in Europe. It's dated to c. 35 Ka BP raw, what may be c. 40 Ka ago (real years). <br /><br />Then:<br />- Kostenki 1 (Don Basin, Southern Russia) can be 38 Ka ago (32.6 Ka BP raw).<br />- Muierii 2 and Cioclovina 1 (West Romania) c. 34 Ka ago (30-29 Ka BP raw).<br /><br />Then, Kents Cavern 4 (Devon, BritainMajuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-4035085438143853242011-03-29T10:09:41.756-06:002011-03-29T10:09:41.756-06:00Giving the redatings what are the oldest modern hu...Giving the redatings what are the oldest modern human remains in Europe now?andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-81943222195128123162011-03-14T18:06:31.509-06:002011-03-14T18:06:31.509-06:00Fascinating stuff. Caves are indeed a headache (I ...Fascinating stuff. Caves are indeed a headache (I love the South African Pliocene...), and this dissociation of European industries is quickly getting my attention.<br /><br />And if I ever discover anything and get to pose with it, the only thing I'll be sure to do is make sure I have a Hauserian upturned mustache.Zachary Cofranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10845549257961708506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-24047639637525713442011-03-07T07:57:56.516-07:002011-03-07T07:57:56.516-07:00Wowzers - so, if legit, this chalks specifically A...Wowzers - so, if legit, this chalks specifically Aurignacian "modern human" remains to what, close to none? unless you count the Oase specimens, and my skepticism on those is on the high side right now. These are good times to be an archaeologist, things are getting more messy, and more interesting, than the old skhul models can handle!landersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15567311464544597806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-9560507160081485992011-03-03T11:09:25.779-07:002011-03-03T11:09:25.779-07:00Millán -
thanks for your comment. Absolutely, I ag...Millán -<br />thanks for your comment. Absolutely, I agree. Furthermore, all this redating that evidences previously unrecognized recent intrusions in Paleolithic context is al the more reason to conduct detailed and careful reexcavations of sites on which much of our fundamental knowledge of the Paleolithic (and esp. the Early Upper Paleolithic) is based. This is part of the rationale behind my Julien Riel-Salvatorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05344338385695383003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-40428847747298452612011-03-03T11:07:03.227-07:002011-03-03T11:07:03.227-07:00Maju -
obviously, reference to a paper would be pr...Maju -<br />obviously, reference to a paper would be preferable. That said, I'd seen earlier mentions of this (<a href="http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=45015" rel="nofollow">here for instance</a>), and the fact that the Dept. of Human Evolution of the MPI has, in fact, been conducting <a href="http://www.eva.mpg.de/evolution/files/abri_peyrony_combe_capelle.htm" rel="Julien Riel-Salvatorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05344338385695383003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-9844527675105626682011-03-03T09:20:19.031-07:002011-03-03T09:20:19.031-07:00That will just confirm a strong trend in the re-st...That will just confirm a strong trend in the re-study of european paleoantropological record: that most of the hypothetical "first AMHs" from Euro-old diggs (XIX century, first decades of 20th...) are just from every cronological background in the book(magdalelian, mesolithic, neolithic, bronce age...) except Early Upper Paleolithic.Millán Mozotahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399161559707492719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22925401.post-34611138226519159622011-03-02T20:31:50.722-07:002011-03-02T20:31:50.722-07:00This is very interesting but I'd sincerely lik...This is very interesting but I'd sincerely like to see a reference. The story looks genuine but there are occasional hoaxes around, mostly just something people does for fun in order to tests others gullibility. <br /><br />So, while I do tend to think that the revision of dates is genuine, I'd feel safer with an academic reference.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.com